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		<title>By: Dani</title>
		<link>http://www.bookishdark.com/2006/03/feed-by-mt-anderon/comment-page-1/#comment-2466</link>
		<dc:creator>Dani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 00:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the sites I looked at said that Feed &quot;makes you want to punch stupid people in the head&quot;.  I totally agree!  After reading Feed, I really wished I could go into the book and punch Titus in the head!
That&#039;s how good Feed is.  It&#039;s so depressing and sad, but it&#039;s still amazingly written.  The characters, the plot, the style that it&#039;s told in...  It&#039;s a hard read, because it makes me want to cry and laugh and stomp my foot in anger all at once.  I thought that the ending was too unfair, and I re-read it a couple times, looking desperately for any glimmer of hope.  But no, Violet really died!  Ugh.  It&#039;s just unfair.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the sites I looked at said that Feed &#8220;makes you want to punch stupid people in the head&#8221;.  I totally agree!  After reading Feed, I really wished I could go into the book and punch Titus in the head!<br />
That&#8217;s how good Feed is.  It&#8217;s so depressing and sad, but it&#8217;s still amazingly written.  The characters, the plot, the style that it&#8217;s told in&#8230;  It&#8217;s a hard read, because it makes me want to cry and laugh and stomp my foot in anger all at once.  I thought that the ending was too unfair, and I re-read it a couple times, looking desperately for any glimmer of hope.  But no, Violet really died!  Ugh.  It&#8217;s just unfair.</p>
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		<title>By: kaizerin</title>
		<link>http://www.bookishdark.com/2006/03/feed-by-mt-anderon/comment-page-1/#comment-18</link>
		<dc:creator>kaizerin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Mar 2006 19:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Feed in action, in a recent &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2001/04/12/credit_cards/index1.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Salon article&lt;/a&gt; on consumer debt :
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Travis Plunkett, legislative director of the nonprofit Consumer Federation of America, puts it this way: &quot;Debt has gone from something long term to the short term,&quot; he says. &quot;It&#039;s the difference between a washer and dryer and my weekly groceries.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;Credit card companies catalyzed the shift about a decade ago. Two men started the trend: Richard Fairbank and Nigel Morris, former consultants who took over the reins at Capital One, a credit card issuer, decided to personalize plastic. Instead of offering one card at a set rate, they experimented with multiple cards and all kinds of offers. Bonus APRs, balance transfers, &quot;lifestyle cards&quot; imprinted with yachts, sports teams and college logos -- Capital One pioneered all of those ideas. &lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;And whenever someone with, say, a Jeep responded to a gold Visa card imprinted with white-capped mountains -- as opposed to a forest scene -- it made a note of it, creating an associative database that formed the basis for more mailings. &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;(my emphasis)&lt;/blockquote&gt;
And on the other hand, I&#039;ve been bonding with Titus a little: I ordered some pants online yesterday, although not to the extent of emptying my account.Â Â First I got the &quot;thanks for ordering!&quot; e-mail, then the &quot;your order is in process!&quot; e-mail, then the &quot;we shipped your order!&quot; e-mail...and each subsequent e-mail makes me feel like I can feel the pants flying toward me in the dark.Â </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Feed in action, in a recent <a href="http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2001/04/12/credit_cards/index1.html" target="_blank">Salon article</a> on consumer debt :</p>
<blockquote><p>
Travis Plunkett, legislative director of the nonprofit Consumer Federation of America, puts it this way: &#8220;Debt has gone from something long term to the short term,&#8221; he says. &#8220;It&#8217;s the difference between a washer and dryer and my weekly groceries.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>Credit card companies catalyzed the shift about a decade ago. Two men started the trend: Richard Fairbank and Nigel Morris, former consultants who took over the reins at Capital One, a credit card issuer, decided to personalize plastic. Instead of offering one card at a set rate, they experimented with multiple cards and all kinds of offers. Bonus APRs, balance transfers, &#8220;lifestyle cards&#8221; imprinted with yachts, sports teams and college logos &#8212; Capital One pioneered all of those ideas. <em><strong>And whenever someone with, say, a Jeep responded to a gold Visa card imprinted with white-capped mountains &#8212; as opposed to a forest scene &#8212; it made a note of it, creating an associative database that formed the basis for more mailings. </strong></em>(my emphasis)</p></blockquote>
<p>And on the other hand, I&#8217;ve been bonding with Titus a little: I ordered some pants online yesterday, although not to the extent of emptying my account.Â Â First I got the &#8220;thanks for ordering!&#8221; e-mail, then the &#8220;your order is in process!&#8221; e-mail, then the &#8220;we shipped your order!&#8221; e-mail&#8230;and each subsequent e-mail makes me feel like I can feel the pants flying toward me in the dark.Â </p>
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		<title>By: CountessZ</title>
		<link>http://www.bookishdark.com/2006/03/feed-by-mt-anderon/comment-page-1/#comment-17</link>
		<dc:creator>CountessZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Mar 2006 00:34:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree -- a more hopeful ending would cheat us out of the warning. And I too hate those stories where the woman suffers untold misery and torture so some man can learn a lesson (and, of course, marry us and make an honest woman out of us finally---blech). I guess that&#039;s why the ending here was really a minor victory, since it was merely a personal one and the world is still doomed -- one person isn&#039;t going to be able to turn the tide anymore, except for ourselves. I think we were supposed to have mixed feelings about Titus and his changing (too late!). Talk to me on another day and I&#039;ll be right there saying the little creep deserves none of our pity ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree &#8212; a more hopeful ending would cheat us out of the warning. And I too hate those stories where the woman suffers untold misery and torture so some man can learn a lesson (and, of course, marry us and make an honest woman out of us finally&#8212;blech). I guess that&#8217;s why the ending here was really a minor victory, since it was merely a personal one and the world is still doomed &#8212; one person isn&#8217;t going to be able to turn the tide anymore, except for ourselves. I think we were supposed to have mixed feelings about Titus and his changing (too late!). Talk to me on another day and I&#8217;ll be right there saying the little creep deserves none of our pity <img src='http://www.bookishdark.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: kaizerin</title>
		<link>http://www.bookishdark.com/2006/03/feed-by-mt-anderon/comment-page-1/#comment-16</link>
		<dc:creator>kaizerin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Mar 2006 23:39:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, no, I donâ€™t think Violet died so that Titus could learn a lesson.  Letâ€™s clear that up, first.  I think Violet died because she was a complicated person with conflicting impulses.  If sheâ€™d been happy to be a misfit she wouldnâ€™t have gotten the implant at all; if sheâ€™d been happy being a drone, she would have played along with the Feed.  Unfortunately for her, like a real person, she was a little bit of both, and the ambiguity killed her.  

What Iâ€™m saying is, if you read the book like Titus caught a clue from Violetâ€™s death and went on to grow and learn and eventually tell the story that this book contains, then Violetâ€™s death is a plot point serving to get us to a hopeful ending.  It gives you hope, as you say, that if one ordinary guy can do it, maybe more can, and will, and their civilization will slowly pull back from the brink.  But the way I reacted (NB: emotions engaged!) was, &quot;Theyâ€™re all stupid and doomed, and they deserve to be.&quot;  In their heedless consumerism, they had eaten up their world and trod a fragile Violet underfoot.  (I have to think her name was chosen very deliberately.)  They didnâ€™t deserve a happy ending.     

A hopeful ending cheats the â€œWarning!  Watch out!  Donâ€™t let this happen to you!â€ message by holding out hope of redemption; some things, once lost, are irrecoverable, and in my assessment, that world has gleefully sped right past any point of return.  I donâ€™t want the â€˜meaningâ€™ in Violetâ€™s death to be Titusâ€™ salvation (and thereby, potentially, the salvation of his world); I want the meaning in her death to be â€œCherish the delicate, the vibrant, the beautiful, the bright, the tender all around youâ€”-in people, in nature, in yourselfâ€”-or else you will lose it.â€    

Note, please, that Iâ€™m not saying thatâ€™s what the author wrote.  Youâ€™re probably right about what the author intended the book to mean; Iâ€™m just telling you what it means to me.  The â€œViolet leads Titus to get in touch with his inner poet, and heâ€™s a better man for itâ€ angle grates, probably because Iâ€™m no fan of Beauty and the Beast stories.  Why is it always the female who has to look past ugliness and cruelty to reach the inner worth of the male?  

As far as sympathy for Titus, well, I&#039;ve already copped to being jealous of him and not properly identifying with him as the hero of the story.  Which doesn&#039;t make him an unsympathetic character, so much as it makes me an unsympathetic reader.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, no, I donâ€™t think Violet died so that Titus could learn a lesson.  Letâ€™s clear that up, first.  I think Violet died because she was a complicated person with conflicting impulses.  If sheâ€™d been happy to be a misfit she wouldnâ€™t have gotten the implant at all; if sheâ€™d been happy being a drone, she would have played along with the Feed.  Unfortunately for her, like a real person, she was a little bit of both, and the ambiguity killed her.  </p>
<p>What Iâ€™m saying is, if you read the book like Titus caught a clue from Violetâ€™s death and went on to grow and learn and eventually tell the story that this book contains, then Violetâ€™s death is a plot point serving to get us to a hopeful ending.  It gives you hope, as you say, that if one ordinary guy can do it, maybe more can, and will, and their civilization will slowly pull back from the brink.  But the way I reacted (NB: emotions engaged!) was, &#8220;Theyâ€™re all stupid and doomed, and they deserve to be.&#8221;  In their heedless consumerism, they had eaten up their world and trod a fragile Violet underfoot.  (I have to think her name was chosen very deliberately.)  They didnâ€™t deserve a happy ending.     </p>
<p>A hopeful ending cheats the â€œWarning!  Watch out!  Donâ€™t let this happen to you!â€ message by holding out hope of redemption; some things, once lost, are irrecoverable, and in my assessment, that world has gleefully sped right past any point of return.  I donâ€™t want the â€˜meaningâ€™ in Violetâ€™s death to be Titusâ€™ salvation (and thereby, potentially, the salvation of his world); I want the meaning in her death to be â€œCherish the delicate, the vibrant, the beautiful, the bright, the tender all around youâ€”-in people, in nature, in yourselfâ€”-or else you will lose it.â€    </p>
<p>Note, please, that Iâ€™m not saying thatâ€™s what the author wrote.  Youâ€™re probably right about what the author intended the book to mean; Iâ€™m just telling you what it means to me.  The â€œViolet leads Titus to get in touch with his inner poet, and heâ€™s a better man for itâ€ angle grates, probably because Iâ€™m no fan of Beauty and the Beast stories.  Why is it always the female who has to look past ugliness and cruelty to reach the inner worth of the male?  </p>
<p>As far as sympathy for Titus, well, I&#8217;ve already copped to being jealous of him and not properly identifying with him as the hero of the story.  Which doesn&#8217;t make him an unsympathetic character, so much as it makes me an unsympathetic reader.</p>
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		<title>By: CountessZ</title>
		<link>http://www.bookishdark.com/2006/03/feed-by-mt-anderon/comment-page-1/#comment-15</link>
		<dc:creator>CountessZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Mar 2006 22:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A couple of things. First, I read the article that you metioned, Kai, and it was very, very interesting. Couple that with an article I read earlier in the day about global warming and its effects on the arctic landscape and you&#039;ve got a heapin&#039; helpin&#039; of disaster no matter which way you look at it. Oddly enough, I found the article hopeful. Weird? Yes. I&#039;m not sure if it was just the fact that there were people doing something practical and embracing a different way of life (an anti-Feed lifestyle, if you will) or if it was the little pep talk I had to give myself in order to feel like getting out of bed the next morning was even worth it, but I started thinking that running out of oil might be the best thing that could happen to us -- in the long run that is. Short term, it&#039;s freakishly nightmare-inducing. Also, it is worst case scenario, right? I mean, clearly there was even some disagreement amongst &quot;experts&quot; about the Peak Oil theory. And, of course, all movements need apocalyptic visions that get us moving in the right directions and help turn the tide. I often wonder if I&#039;ll know its time to head off into the woods with a backpack and some supplies or if it will have gotten too late by then. Or will it never come to that? Hard to tell.

Second, in response to the observation about the 1950s as the start of the Feed lifestyle, there is a really fascinating book called &quot;Where The Girls Are&quot; that discusses the role of marketing in helping develop a burgeoning sense of identity in young women starting in, you guessed it, the 1950s. It then goes on to discuss the conflicting messages that on one level conveyed to us that we were something more than wives and mothers, while more overtly telling us what we wanted most was to be wives and mothers. It is obviously a little more complex than that, but I would really like to go back and read that in light of my new feelings about the consumer culture, marketing, etc.

Finally, Kai, back to the language -- and the idea that the best character in the book died so some mildly decent character could learn a lesson. Indeed, if that was the case, ick. I went back and reread some of the book this afternoon and I&#039;m pretty sure it was intended to be a first person point of view, and all the impressions and so forth really did come from Titus. So, the deeper thoughts (yes, in comparison to the others, admittedly) and reflections and observations and even the use of language were meant to be his -- at least the sections that were written in first person. Obviously, there were news clips and feed items and song lyrics interspersed, but those were meant to give us a greater sense of the constant buzz that Titus was exposed to. In thinking more about Violet&#039;s death, I don&#039;t see that she died so Titus could learn a lesson. I see more that she died because these things happen -- because of the culture, because of the way things are. She died because it is a screwed up world with inappropriate priorities. She would have died even if Titus never learned a lesson. But thank goodness for his own sake that he did. Did Quendy have the same capacity to get it? Maybe. How about Link? I&#039;m less optimistic. Even thought Titus is absolutely maddening, I still think he was special. I think he was really quite smart. He just didn&#039;t want to be. I knew guys like that in high school. They weren&#039;t bad guys. But a lot of times, they didn&#039;t want to be good guys. They didn&#039;t want to have to think about things all the time. In a way, I don&#039;t want Titus to be special, because if he is just another one of &quot;them,&quot; it means anyone can &quot;get it&quot; and change. But why did he see Violet was so special right from the start. She was different and he liked it. I think he liked it because he felt different and alone and he thought being with someone else would make that go away. It didn&#039;t. He was so desperate not to be alone. That made me so sad. And that is why I felt some sympathy for him even though he did such awful things. I think at the heart of things here is not that Titus may or may not have been eloquent or in possesion of decent language skills, it is whether or not he is a sympathetic character.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple of things. First, I read the article that you metioned, Kai, and it was very, very interesting. Couple that with an article I read earlier in the day about global warming and its effects on the arctic landscape and you&#8217;ve got a heapin&#8217; helpin&#8217; of disaster no matter which way you look at it. Oddly enough, I found the article hopeful. Weird? Yes. I&#8217;m not sure if it was just the fact that there were people doing something practical and embracing a different way of life (an anti-Feed lifestyle, if you will) or if it was the little pep talk I had to give myself in order to feel like getting out of bed the next morning was even worth it, but I started thinking that running out of oil might be the best thing that could happen to us &#8212; in the long run that is. Short term, it&#8217;s freakishly nightmare-inducing. Also, it is worst case scenario, right? I mean, clearly there was even some disagreement amongst &#8220;experts&#8221; about the Peak Oil theory. And, of course, all movements need apocalyptic visions that get us moving in the right directions and help turn the tide. I often wonder if I&#8217;ll know its time to head off into the woods with a backpack and some supplies or if it will have gotten too late by then. Or will it never come to that? Hard to tell.</p>
<p>Second, in response to the observation about the 1950s as the start of the Feed lifestyle, there is a really fascinating book called &#8220;Where The Girls Are&#8221; that discusses the role of marketing in helping develop a burgeoning sense of identity in young women starting in, you guessed it, the 1950s. It then goes on to discuss the conflicting messages that on one level conveyed to us that we were something more than wives and mothers, while more overtly telling us what we wanted most was to be wives and mothers. It is obviously a little more complex than that, but I would really like to go back and read that in light of my new feelings about the consumer culture, marketing, etc.</p>
<p>Finally, Kai, back to the language &#8212; and the idea that the best character in the book died so some mildly decent character could learn a lesson. Indeed, if that was the case, ick. I went back and reread some of the book this afternoon and I&#8217;m pretty sure it was intended to be a first person point of view, and all the impressions and so forth really did come from Titus. So, the deeper thoughts (yes, in comparison to the others, admittedly) and reflections and observations and even the use of language were meant to be his &#8212; at least the sections that were written in first person. Obviously, there were news clips and feed items and song lyrics interspersed, but those were meant to give us a greater sense of the constant buzz that Titus was exposed to. In thinking more about Violet&#8217;s death, I don&#8217;t see that she died so Titus could learn a lesson. I see more that she died because these things happen &#8212; because of the culture, because of the way things are. She died because it is a screwed up world with inappropriate priorities. She would have died even if Titus never learned a lesson. But thank goodness for his own sake that he did. Did Quendy have the same capacity to get it? Maybe. How about Link? I&#8217;m less optimistic. Even thought Titus is absolutely maddening, I still think he was special. I think he was really quite smart. He just didn&#8217;t want to be. I knew guys like that in high school. They weren&#8217;t bad guys. But a lot of times, they didn&#8217;t want to be good guys. They didn&#8217;t want to have to think about things all the time. In a way, I don&#8217;t want Titus to be special, because if he is just another one of &#8220;them,&#8221; it means anyone can &#8220;get it&#8221; and change. But why did he see Violet was so special right from the start. She was different and he liked it. I think he liked it because he felt different and alone and he thought being with someone else would make that go away. It didn&#8217;t. He was so desperate not to be alone. That made me so sad. And that is why I felt some sympathy for him even though he did such awful things. I think at the heart of things here is not that Titus may or may not have been eloquent or in possesion of decent language skills, it is whether or not he is a sympathetic character.</p>
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		<title>By: kaizerin</title>
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		<dc:creator>kaizerin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Mar 2006 19:19:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CountessZ, I want to pick up your point about Titusâ€™ language skills.  I think the crucial phrase is â€œin comparison to those around him.â€  I grant the points you made about Titus having greater verbal skill than those around him, and Violet noticing him because of it.  But my point was about a man who writes books, communicating to people who read books, through a kid who couldnâ€™t print his name in crayon.  

I saw it as the central tragedy of Titusâ€™ character that he has this remnant instinct toward poetry and curiosity about the world around him, but because of the culture he was raised in and what passes for education in it, these have nearly atrophied.  He doesnâ€™t have the words to express the things he feelsâ€”and even if he had them, he doesnâ€™t have an audience that can appreciate them.  I guess I read the book not as something Titus had literally composed, but as coming from a limited-omniscient narrator, who kept us inside Titusâ€™ perspective, but could tell us more about what was going on in his head than Titus himself could. 

However, I re-read the ending, and I see what youâ€™re getting at.  It does seem that Titus has accepted Violetâ€™s challenge to fight the system, and in beginning to tell stories to her, perhaps heâ€™s finding his voice.  Maybe we are supposed to understand that the novel we have just read grew out of Titusâ€™ promise to keep on telling Violetâ€™s story.  But you know what?  That interpretation pisses me off.  So, Violetâ€™s beautiful spirit is silenced, but at least her death has meaning, because it woke this guy up and got him in touch with his own voice?  Ick.  That makes me hate the book, a little.  But, I admit up front that I identified with the wrong character; if I put myself in the shoes of someone who relates to Titus (i.e., the target market of this book, young adults), it does make for a more satisfying read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CountessZ, I want to pick up your point about Titusâ€™ language skills.  I think the crucial phrase is â€œin comparison to those around him.â€  I grant the points you made about Titus having greater verbal skill than those around him, and Violet noticing him because of it.  But my point was about a man who writes books, communicating to people who read books, through a kid who couldnâ€™t print his name in crayon.  </p>
<p>I saw it as the central tragedy of Titusâ€™ character that he has this remnant instinct toward poetry and curiosity about the world around him, but because of the culture he was raised in and what passes for education in it, these have nearly atrophied.  He doesnâ€™t have the words to express the things he feelsâ€”and even if he had them, he doesnâ€™t have an audience that can appreciate them.  I guess I read the book not as something Titus had literally composed, but as coming from a limited-omniscient narrator, who kept us inside Titusâ€™ perspective, but could tell us more about what was going on in his head than Titus himself could. </p>
<p>However, I re-read the ending, and I see what youâ€™re getting at.  It does seem that Titus has accepted Violetâ€™s challenge to fight the system, and in beginning to tell stories to her, perhaps heâ€™s finding his voice.  Maybe we are supposed to understand that the novel we have just read grew out of Titusâ€™ promise to keep on telling Violetâ€™s story.  But you know what?  That interpretation pisses me off.  So, Violetâ€™s beautiful spirit is silenced, but at least her death has meaning, because it woke this guy up and got him in touch with his own voice?  Ick.  That makes me hate the book, a little.  But, I admit up front that I identified with the wrong character; if I put myself in the shoes of someone who relates to Titus (i.e., the target market of this book, young adults), it does make for a more satisfying read.</p>
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		<title>By: Ramona</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ramona</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Mar 2006 13:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Corvus is right. It did begin in the 50&#039;s with parents who had been through the great depression and a world war. They saw the opportunity to give their children more than they had had. Couple that with the rise of a tv in every home and the immediate view of anything and everything we could possibly &quot;need&quot;; the consumer monster was born.
What too many parents don&#039;t understand is that giving their children everything they want is not the true meaning of parenting.
CZ is also right when she talks about the collapse of our paper world. I am already digging my hole in which to crawl.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Corvus is right. It did begin in the 50&#8242;s with parents who had been through the great depression and a world war. They saw the opportunity to give their children more than they had had. Couple that with the rise of a tv in every home and the immediate view of anything and everything we could possibly &#8220;need&#8221;; the consumer monster was born.<br />
What too many parents don&#8217;t understand is that giving their children everything they want is not the true meaning of parenting.<br />
CZ is also right when she talks about the collapse of our paper world. I am already digging my hole in which to crawl.</p>
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		<title>By: Corvus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Corvus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Mar 2006 10:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really see the current descent into a Feed lifestyle as having begun in the 1950&#039;s. The elements were there, waiting to be &#039;activated&#039; if you will, but as far as I can tell it wasn&#039;t until the 50&#039;s that media and marketing got their act together and really teamed up with a specific focus on generating demand for mass produced objects.

The problem with the state of things in the US today, in my not so humble opinion, is that consumer spending accounts for a vast majority of our economy. I don&#039;t see that as being conducive to creating a thoughtful society that behave respectfully to each other, much less other cultures.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really see the current descent into a Feed lifestyle as having begun in the 1950&#8242;s. The elements were there, waiting to be &#8216;activated&#8217; if you will, but as far as I can tell it wasn&#8217;t until the 50&#8242;s that media and marketing got their act together and really teamed up with a specific focus on generating demand for mass produced objects.</p>
<p>The problem with the state of things in the US today, in my not so humble opinion, is that consumer spending accounts for a vast majority of our economy. I don&#8217;t see that as being conducive to creating a thoughtful society that behave respectfully to each other, much less other cultures.</p>
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		<title>By: kaizerin</title>
		<link>http://www.bookishdark.com/2006/03/feed-by-mt-anderon/comment-page-1/#comment-11</link>
		<dc:creator>kaizerin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Mar 2006 19:42:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everyone, please have a read of the main story on Salon today (&quot;The Oil is Going!  The Oil is Going!&quot;), then come back here for discussion, if you&#039;re not hiding under the bed in terror. 

It&#039;s not all said and done yet, Ramona.  You might find at least one of your &quot;missed the lesson&quot; kids on your doorstep one of these days, looking to re-plant Grandma&#039;s garden, read your old issues of Mother Earth News, and get tips on keeping dairy cows. And pigs, &#039;cause, mmmmm, bacon!  And woolly sheep, of course.  The End of the World is certainly no time to stop knitting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone, please have a read of the main story on Salon today (&#8220;The Oil is Going!  The Oil is Going!&#8221;), then come back here for discussion, if you&#8217;re not hiding under the bed in terror. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s not all said and done yet, Ramona.  You might find at least one of your &#8220;missed the lesson&#8221; kids on your doorstep one of these days, looking to re-plant Grandma&#8217;s garden, read your old issues of Mother Earth News, and get tips on keeping dairy cows. And pigs, &#8217;cause, mmmmm, bacon!  And woolly sheep, of course.  The End of the World is certainly no time to stop knitting.</p>
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		<title>By: Ramona</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ramona</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Mar 2006 18:58:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Feed. Need. Greed. Freed. A generational backlash against consumerism? Didn&#039;t we try that during the 70&#039;s with the &quot;back to the land&quot; movement? I know I came back to the land with the idea of teaching my children how to garden and raise livestock for our own food. Only one out of three caught on. And I no longer raise my own meat and vegies even tho&#039; I am back on the land again and could.
There will always be trade-offs as Kaizerin said. How much is enough? Kai says it is up to us individually to find our balance point. I agree. But CZ suggests that &quot;we&quot; can somehow influence &quot;them&quot; and effect some change. &quot;We start the change and it trickles down to them.&quot;
I try to have some influence on my grandchildren. i.e. Their mother recently related that one of the girl&#039;s bikes was stolen right off their front porch. She was trying to figure out how they could afford buying a new bike to replace the stolen one. I suggested they could buy a used one until 1)they got the stolen one back or 2)they could afford a new one. I should have suggested 3)that the girl work for the money to replace the bike as it was her fault for not locking it up. My suggestion to buy something used was quickly rejected. I realize I won&#039;t have much influence on these grandchildren when their primary lessons come from one of those adults who got her feed at an early age!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Feed. Need. Greed. Freed. A generational backlash against consumerism? Didn&#8217;t we try that during the 70&#8242;s with the &#8220;back to the land&#8221; movement? I know I came back to the land with the idea of teaching my children how to garden and raise livestock for our own food. Only one out of three caught on. And I no longer raise my own meat and vegies even tho&#8217; I am back on the land again and could.<br />
There will always be trade-offs as Kaizerin said. How much is enough? Kai says it is up to us individually to find our balance point. I agree. But CZ suggests that &#8220;we&#8221; can somehow influence &#8220;them&#8221; and effect some change. &#8220;We start the change and it trickles down to them.&#8221;<br />
I try to have some influence on my grandchildren. i.e. Their mother recently related that one of the girl&#8217;s bikes was stolen right off their front porch. She was trying to figure out how they could afford buying a new bike to replace the stolen one. I suggested they could buy a used one until 1)they got the stolen one back or 2)they could afford a new one. I should have suggested 3)that the girl work for the money to replace the bike as it was her fault for not locking it up. My suggestion to buy something used was quickly rejected. I realize I won&#8217;t have much influence on these grandchildren when their primary lessons come from one of those adults who got her feed at an early age!</p>
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